In my bid to try and have DVLA re-issue a correct age-related number for Q386 NVS.. I was confronted with the lengthy bureacratic reponse below. I then turned to Paul Jebson - long-time crusader in helping owners assign non-Q numbers. Alas Paul had to say:
"Hi Jon Thanks for your emailI'm afraid I can't help you in your quest to re-register your car with anage related mark.Once a "Q" always a "Q" is DVLA's answer to these enquiries. They willargue that nothing has changed since they allocated a "Q" in the firstplace.It rather looks as though the second hand chassis was the cause of theproblem at the time. If a new chassis had been fitted and two of the majorparts retained from the SAME donor vehicle DVLA would have considered an age related registration. If a second handbody or chassis is fitted, even from the same type of car , it isautomaticaly given a "Q"I'm sorry I can't help on this occasion Regards Paul Jepson"
DVLA's somewhat less succinct response as follows (no joke)
From: http://webmail.lbmracing.com/imp/message.php?index=8154#Reply-To: http://webmail.lbmracing.com/imp/message.php?index=8154# Subject: RE: Lotus race car - Q386 NVS - applying for a non-Q registration To: http://webmail.lbmracing.com/imp/message.php?index=8154# Thank you for your email. I should firstly mention that DVLA Swansea can only answer generalenquiries regarding the registering of vehicles. Specific enquiriesregarding the procedures or documentation required must be directed tothe DVLA Local Office where the application will be made. Registering Rebuilt, Radically Altered Vehicles and Kit Cars Before a vehicle is used or kept on the public road it must to beproperly taxed and registered. When a vehicle is first registered, theDriver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) allocates a registrationnumber which has to be properly displayed and this remains with thevehicle until it is broken up, destroyed, permanently exported ortransferred to another vehicle in what is known as a "cherishedtransfer." Sometimes, however, a vehicle needs to be rebuilt and this can callthe identity of the vehicle into question. Is it the original whichhas simply been repaired or have so many new or different parts beenused in the rebuilding process that the original vehicle has beeneffectively broken up? In allocating a registration number to a rebuilt vehicle, theAgency's main interest is to establish whether or not the vehicle isnewly constructed with no previously registered identity (in thepresent form). Vehicles, which have been substantially rebuilt, needto be examined by one of the DVLA Local Offices. NB A Vehicle IdentityCheck (VIC) will apply to those vehicles notified to the DVLA as beingwritten off on or after 7 April 2003. For information please refer toINF133 available from the Vehicle Operator Services Agency (VOSA).Information is also available from the VOSA Website www.vosa.gov.uk. Any vehicle, which has failed VIC, will not be entitled to retainits original registration number, DVLA Local Office will allocate a'Q' registration number and an Enhanced Single Vehicle Approval(ESVA)/ Single Vehicle Approval (SVA)/ Motorcycle Single VehicleApproval (MSVA) certificate will be required. If however, a VIC application is rejected by VOSA, DVLA LocalOffice will need to inspect the vehicle in order to allocate analternative registration number. ESVA/SVA/MSVA will be required. A. Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new/used parts. In order to retain the original registration number: Cars and Car-Derived Vans must use: The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. bodyand chassis as one unit - monocoque); or A new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification asthe original supported by evidence from the dealer/manufacturer (e.g.receipt) And two other major components from the original vehicle - see listbelowSuspension (front & back)Axles (both)TransmissionSteering AssemblyEngine If a second-hand chassis/monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehiclemust pass a ESVA/SVA test after which a "Q" prefix registration numberwill be allocated. N.B Vehicle Identification Check From 7th April 2003, all cars and some tricycles (e.g. RobinReliant) that are written off by an insurance company or declaredscrapped by their owners due to accident damage will have to benotified to DVLA. VIC has been introduced to deter criminals from disguising stolencars with the identity of written off or scrapped ones. The check isdesigned to help confirm that the vehicle being returned to the roadhas been repaired following accident damage and has not been stolen. For further information contact the Vehicle Operator ServicesAgency Website on www.vosa.gov.uk[1] Motorcycles must use: Unmodified Frame (original or new) And two other major components from the original vehicle ForksWheelsEngine/gearbox If a second-hand frame is used the vehicle must pass a MotorcycleSingle Vehicle Approval (MSVA) test after which a 'Q' prefixregistration number will be allocated. B. Radically Altered Vehicles This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from theiroriginal specification, but which are not kit conversions. In these cases the vehicle components used from the originalvehicle will be given a numerical value and, in order to retain theoriginal registration numbers the vehicle must score eight or morepoints. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modifiedchassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an ESVA/SVA/MSVAcertificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefixregistration number will be allocated. The following values will be allocated to the major componentsused: Points Chassis/body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque)*(original or new) = 5Suspension = 2Axles = 2Transmission = 2Steering Assembly = 2Engine = 1 *Direct replacement from the manufactures NB. Where there is evidence that two vehicles have been weldedtogether to form one (i.e. 'Cut and Shut') a 'Q' mark will beallocated. ESVA/SVA/MSVA will be required. Vehicle Identification Number This is a legal requirement for all vehicles used on the publichighway to carry a Vehicle Identity Number (VIN). This may be lostwhen a vehicle is substantially rebuilt, particularly in the case ofkit vehicles where the chassis/bodyshell may not have been stamped bythe manufacturer. In such circumstances the DVLA Local Office willallocate a replacement VIN. The DVLA Local Office will issue an authorisation letter andregistration will not take effect until the Agency receivesconfirmation that the vehicle has been stamped with the correctidentity. Registration of Vehicles without Identity The following procedures must be followed when making applicationfor the registration and first taxing of a vehicle without identity You should use your nearest DVLA Local Office. Applications from outside a DVLA Local Office's catchment area willbe refused; You will be asked to produce your driving licence as proof ofidentity and address; You will be asked to produce official receipts from identifiablesuppliers for the components used in a rebuild. The authenticity ofreceipts may be checked. They will be stamped by the DVLA Local Officebefore return; All vehicles without identity (VIN and registration number) will beinspected by DVLA and referred to the police. These arrangements have been introduced in an effort to combatvehicle crime. Applicants who rebuild vehicles and can prove theorigins of the components need not be concerned. However, if thepolice believe a vehicle to be stolen DVLA will refuse to register andit may be impounded. Prospective purchasers of vehicles without identity are advised toexercise caution. If a vehicle is suspected of being stolen both itand the money paid for it may be lost. Advice for prospectivepurchasers of vehicles (The car buyers Guide) is available from CrimePrevention Officers and DVLA Local Offices. C. Kit Cars Where all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by themanufacturer. Subject to the provision of satisfactory receipts and aCertificate of Newness these vehicles will be registered under acurrent registration mark. Kit cars which been built using not more than one reconditionedcomponent will also be registered under a current mark. This issubject to the provision of satisfactory evidence that the componenthas been reconditioned to an "as new" standard. An ESVA/SVA/MSVA testwill be required. For details of the SVA scheme, please see ImportSection. D. Kit Conversions This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle orold parts are added to a kit comprising a manufacturedbody/chassis/monocoque bodyshell. The general appearance of thevehicle will change and result in a revised description on theregistration document/Certificate. A vehicle will retain its donor registration number if either theoriginal unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and twoother major components are used. If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kitmanufacturer is used (or an altered chassis/bodyshell from an existingvehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, anage related number will be assigned. The number will be based on theage of the donor vehicle. An ESVA/SVA/MSVA test will be required toregister the vehicle. Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in caseswhere the original registration number is unknown, an ESVA/SVA/MSVAcertificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefixregistration number will be allocated. I hope this helps as there was limited information given in youre-mail. Regards Donna Llewellynwww.direct.gov.uk/motoring[2][THREAD ID:1-YD1FO]
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